A farkon wannan makon, Edward Norton ya ɗauki jirgin sama mai ja-ido daga New York zuwa London kuma ya ji daɗi sosai washegari har ya yanke shawarar yin tausa. "Ban taɓa samun irin wannan ba na dogon lokaci," in ji shi, "kuma na kusa fara kuka. Kana kamar: 'Oh! Ah!'"
Ya ji irin waɗannan sautunan daga masu kallo suna kallon sabon fim ɗinsa, The Invite, wanda ke game da yadda aure zai iya lalata rayuwar jima'i. "Mutane suna kusan hawaye. Suna kamar: 'Ban taɓa samun dariya mai kyau, na manya da ta sa na ji an fahimce ni ba na dogon lokaci.'"
Ya yi murmushi, yana kama da mai laushi da annashuwa. "Yawancin mutane suna jin kaɗaici a cikin rikice-rikicen dangantakarsu—suna damuwa cewa ku biyu ne kawai kuke da waɗannan matsalolin. Sanin cewa abu ne na duniya yana da sauƙi. Yana ba ka damar yafe wa kanka da yawa."
Kusa da shi, Olivia Wilde, abokiyar fim ɗinsa kuma darekta, ta gyada kai. "Mafi son dariya daga masu kallo," in ji ta, "shine wanda yake kama da cewa: 'Na yi tunani ni kaɗai ne!' Yana kama da ha-ha-ha-aaah; ɗan gunaguni. Lokacin da ka ji kanka yana dariya ga wani abu da yake bayyana, sannan wani kuma ya yi shi, kunyar da kake ji nan take ta ɗauke."
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Mutuwar gado … Olivia Wilde da Seth Rogen a matsayin ma'aurata a cikin The Invite. Hoton: Adam Newport-Berra/PA
Gani da jin an fahimce ka ta The Invite yana da daɗi. Hakanan ba abin alfahari ba ne. Wilde tana taka rawar Angela, mai zane mai takaici wacce ta auri mawaƙin da ya gaza Joe (Seth Rogen). Suna da 'ya mace mai shekaru 12 amma ba abu mai yawa ba. Lokacin da 'yarsu ta kwana a gidan wani, Angela ta gayyaci maƙwabtan bene na sama—Hawk (Norton) tsohon mai kashe gobara mai laushi da budurwarsa, Piña, likitan tunani wanda Penélope Cruz ta taka—don cin abincin dare. Ba abin ɓarna ba ne a ce maraice bai yi kyau ba, ko kuma kamar yadda ake tsammani. Ka yi tunanin Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf? tare da ɗan karkata.
Daga cikin haruffa huɗu, Piña kaɗai ce wacce za ka so ka zama, watakila saboda tana wakiltar mai ba da shawara na fim ɗin: likitan tunani na Belgium, na Manhattan Esther Perel. Piña tana faɗin yawancin mahimman ra'ayoyin Perel—musamman cewa duk dangantaka tana ƙarewa, amma wani lokacin za ka iya sake farawa da mutum ɗaya. Ɗaya daga cikin ra'ayoyin Perel, wanda ba a faɗa a fili ba amma yana kama da rataye a iska, shine cewa "mutuwar gado" wani sakamako ne da ba za a iya gujewa ba na mafarkin Amurka.
E, in ji Wilde da sha'awa. "Wannan ma'anar aikin Amurka ne: Na fara wannan aure, zan gama shi, zan ci gaba. Tushen tsarkin al'adunmu yana nufin ba abin kunya ba ne kawai don daraja jin daɗi, amma kuma yarda da shan kashi."
Ga mata a cikin irin wannan al'umma, in ji ta, har yanzu akwai "ma'anar nasara a aure. Ka sanya hannu kan kwangilar da za ta kiyaye ka lafiya kuma tana jin kamar nasara. Jin daɗi da ci gaba da bincikensa suna zuwa bayan kiyaye iyali tare."
Wilde da Norton kowannensu yana da yara biyu; ita tare da tsohon abokin zamanta, Jason Sudeikis, shi kuma tare da matarsa na shekaru 14, furodusa Shauna Robertson. "Lokacin da ka ga iyali da ƙaramin yaro a Faransa," Wilde ta ci gaba, tana fassara Perel, "zato shine cewa waɗannan mutanen suna yin jima'i, wanda shine abin da ya haifar da yaron. A Amurka, yana kama da: waɗannan mutanen ba sa yin jima'i saboda suna da ƙaramin yaro. Wannan yana nuna ƙarshen binciken jima'i da canji zuwa wata ma'ana ta mace ta daban, wacce ta fi dogaro da aiki da kulawa."
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'Ina da wannan jin cewa idan ban taɓa yin wani abu ba, zan kasance lafiya.' Hoton: Linda Nylind/The Guardian
The Invite yana jin musamman ga Amurka, duk da cewa ya dogara ne akan wasan kwaikwayo na Sifen wanda aka riga aka yi fim a Italiya, Switzerland, Faransa, da Koriya ta Kudu. Wannan saboda, ban da kasancewa a San Francisco da kuma tashar masanin jima'i mafi so na California, ƴan wasan sun shafe makonni biyu suna aiki akan rubutun tare da marubutan Rashida Jones da Will McCormack.
Ƙara nasu hang-ups a cikin haɗin yana da sauƙi kuma ba shi da matsi, in ji Norton. "Akwai kwanciyar hankali da amana da yawa da ta riga ta kasance." Sun riga sun san juna—shi da Rogen sun yi aiki tare a baya akan fim ɗin abinci mai rai Sausage Party, wanda ke da wasu daga cikin DNA ɗin da ba a tsaftace ba kamar The Invite. Akwai yawan ƙirƙira: barkwanci masu ban dariya, wasan kwaikwayo, har ma da wani jawabi mai ɓarna inda Hawk ya bayyana asalin sunansa. Norton har yanzu yana mamakin cewa Wilde ta bar shi ya yi wannan ɓangaren ba tare da shiri ba. "Darekta ba sa cewa, 'Kada ka gaya mani menene wannan muhimmin lokaci zai kasance.'" Musamman lokacin da kake yin fim a kan fim 35mm. "A gaskiya, ina mamakin cewa Seth ya yarda da shi. Seth ƙwararren mai sana'a ne mai tsari da daidaito."
Fiye da shekara guda bayan haka, Norton, 56, har yanzu yana da kuzari daga yin fim ɗin. Yana ci gaba da dariya da raba layukan da ya fi so. Yana magana game da shiga "yanayin gudana" da "jin daɗi" lokacin da suka gane cewa duk yana haɗuwa. Ya kawo misalin ƙungiyar jazz. Ya ce ya yi fina-finai sama da 50, amma wannan shine farkon wanda aka yi fim a cikin tsari na lokaci (a kan saiti ɗaya, kimanin makonni uku).
"Ba zai taɓa samun wannan tsari ba idan an yi shi ba bisa tsari ba. Da mun yi taka tsantsan sosai. Yana da tasiri mai zurfi akan yadda labarin ya gina zuwa ƙarshensa."
Wilde ta yi masa murmushi, fuskarta mai ban sha'awa, mai kusurwa kamar Bambi tana haskakawa. "Ina jin duka farin ciki da lalacewa ta wannan gogewa," in ji ta, "saboda ban sani ba lokacin da zan iya tsammanin samun wani irin wannan. Don samun ƙungiyar mutane masu jituwa sosai. Ina da wannan jin cewa idan ban taɓa yin wani abu ba, zan kasance lafiya."
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Ma'aurata marasa daidaituwa … Wilde, Rogen, Cruz, da Norton a cikin The Invite. Hoton: Black Bear/PA
The Invite ba zai zama fim ɗinta na ƙarshe ba. Bayan fitowarsa a Sundance a watan Janairu, an sayar da shi ga A24 akan dala miliyan 12 (fam miliyan 9) bayan yaƙin neman saye. Yanzu ya zama abin nasara mai mahimmanci, nasarar kasuwanci, kuma mai neman lambar yabo. Har ma ya zarce karɓar da aka yi wa farkon jagorancin Wilde na 2019, Booksmart, kuma ya kusan goge tunanin mabiyinta, Don't Worry Darling (2022), wanda bai faranta wa masu suka, masu kallo, ko magoya bayan Harry Styles rai ba (Wilde da abokin fim ɗinta sun yi soyayya na shekaru biyu; ta yi tsauri game da matsin kafofin watsa labarai).
"Na yi imani da yin amfani da ba da labari don jin motsin rai waɗanda babu adadin magani da zai iya buɗewa gaba ɗaya," in ji Wilde. "Na yi mamakin aikina da kaina, saboda wasu abubuwa suna fitowa daga gare ni waɗanda ban shirya ba."
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Kara karantawa
Daga cikin waɗannan lokutan akwai lokacin da Angela ta kira kanta "stupid fucking cunt" kafin ta tabbatar wa Hawk cewa tana lafiya—kawai tunaninta ne na ciki. Wannan, in ji Wilde, wani girmamawa ne ga marigayiya Diane Keaton, wacce aka sadaukar da fim ɗin.
"Ta kasance mai yiwuwa mafi ƙasƙantar da kai mutumin da na taɓa saduwa da shi. Tabbas a yawancin manyan rawar ta, tana da wannan sanin kai nan take wanda yake da tsauri da rauni." Sun taka rawar uwa da 'ya a 2015's Christmas with the Coopers, kuma Angela ta gaji da yawa daga Keaton, kamar yadda fim ɗin ya zana daga mafi kyawun barkwanci na Woody Allen da mafi kyawun fina-finai na Mike Nichols.
Layin "cunt", to, shine magajin cike da zagi na ramble na Keaton "what a jerk" a cikin yanayin wasan tennis na Annie Hall—yanayin, in ji Norton, wanda ba kawai ya haɗa da farkon "la-di-da" da farkon ganin kayan sawa na Keaton na hula-tie-rig-wando (abubuwan da Wilde ta ɗauka a yau), amma kuma "lokacin tsara a cikin cewa shine mutum na farko da yake yin tunanin ciki, yana faɗin ɓangaren shiru a fili."
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Penélope Cruz a matsayin Piña da Olivia Wilde a matsayin Angela. Hoton: Adam Newport-Berra/PA
The Invite yana ƙarfafa masu kallonsa su faɗi abin da aka saba barin ba a faɗa ba kuma—godiya ga gwanintar Keaton—su kasance masu son zuciya. Norton ya ce tsayayya da duka biyun wani ɓangare ne na "abin da waɗannan abubuwa"—ya nuna wayarsa—"suke yi mana ta hanyar jima'i." Akwai yanayi ɗaya kawai a cikin fim ɗin da ya shafi fasaha, kuma yana da muni. Wannan rashin fasaha yana ƙara wa fim ɗin jin daɗin tunani, tare da shirinsa na farko: liyafa ta ƙarshe da mutanen da ba su san juna sosai ba suka yi. "Yanzu, duniyar zamantakewarmu tana da tsari sosai," in ji Wilde. "Kana hira da mutanen da suke tunani kamar ka. Kana duba kwanan wata kafin ka sadu da su. Ka riga ka san komai game da su. Tunanin cin karo da abin da ba a sani ba a yau gaba ɗaya baƙon abu ne."
Ta ƙara da cewa yana da ban tsoro. Fasaha tana gaya mana cewa ba ma buƙatar wasu mutane. "Kuma har yanzu muna murmurewa daga Covid, wanda ya koya mana jin tsoron wasu da rungumar kaɗaici. Kusanci ya haɗa da haɗari da gogayya—duk abubuwan da yanzu muke cirewa gaba ɗaya daga rayuwarmu."
Wilde, tana ƙara shiga, ta ce kafofin sada zumunta suna hana mu girma a hanyoyin da ake buƙata don kiyaye dangantaka mai ban sha'awa. "Mutane sun zama alamomi. Kowa ya ayyana alamarsa. Ina mamakin idan sanya rikodin wanda kake da abin da kake so yana nufin mutane suna jin ƙarancin 'yanci don canzawa."
Lokacin da take ƙarama, kowane sabon mataki—makarantar sakandare, kwaleji, sabon birni—wata dama ce ta sake ƙirƙirar kanta. "Ina ƙin ra'ayin cewa mutane suna jin ƙarancin buɗewa ga hakan saboda sun rubuta rikodin jama'a wanda za a yi amfani da shi a kansu a matsayin hujjar wanda suke a da."
Bikin auren Wilde na farko yana da shekaru 19, ga wani aristocrat na Italiya, a cikin bas ɗin makaranta tare da shaidu biyu. A yau, ba ta da tabbaci game da irin wannan sadaukarwa. "Akwai wannan ma'anar: 'Yaya za ka yi canji! Ka ce a 24 kana son irin wannan rayuwa, kuma yanzu kana 44. Yaya za ka yi son abubuwa daban-daban!' Mafi nasara dangantakar da na gani tsakanin mutanen da suke da gaske sha'awar ɗayan kamar yadda suke a yanzu."
A cikin fim ɗin, Piña ta ce zama a wuri abin kunya ne: mutane suna rayuwa da raguwa, suna manta cewa sun cancanci ƙari. Wannan ra'ayi an ɗauke shi kai tsaye daga Perel, falsafar da likitan tunani ya samo asali daga renon waɗanda suka tsira daga Holocaust—ƙungiyar da ta raba zuwa "waɗanda ba su mutu ba, da waɗanda suka dawo rayuwa."
"Wannan ma'anar samun rayuwa ɗaya da buƙatar rayuwa da gaske shine tabbas abin da ke motsa ta," in ji Wilde. Yana da ban sha'awa, na lura, cewa magabcin ruhaniya na Perel, likitan jima'i na Amurka Dr. Ruth Westheimer, shima ɗan Yahudawan Turai ne da aka tura zuwa sansanonin taro—ko da yake duka iyayenta an kashe su.
Norton ya gyada kai a cikin kofi. Na sani, ya tambaya, cewa mijin Perel, Jack Saul, shima likitan tunani ne wanda ya kware a kan matsalar damuwa bayan rauni? "Na yi magana game da wannan da Esther," in ji shi. "Muna rayuwa a cikin rauni na duniya a yanzu. A zahiri muna da kisan kiyashi da ake watsawa kai tsaye. Sojoji masu injina suna kai hari kan fararen hula a Ukraine da Sudan. 'Yan fashin fasist masu rufe fuska suna harbin 'yan Amurka a kan tituna. Wannan shine babban hoton abin da ake zuga mana. Kuma rauni, tashin hankali, da zalunci suna danne sha'awar jima'i."
Don haka The Invite ba kawai nishaɗi mara nauyi ba ne, in ji shi—magani ne. "Wani nau'in magani. Mutane suna jin rashin haɗin kai sosai da jikinsu na jima'i a lokuta irin wannan. Kana jin baƙin ciki don yin korafi game da rashin kuzarin tunani ko jima'i saboda duk duniya tana gaya maka: dole ne ka tsira daga wannan tsoro."
Shi da Wilde suna kallon juna suna huci. Wataƙila lokaci ya yi don wani tausa. The Invite yanzu yana cikin gidajen sinima. Kuna da wani tunani game da batutuwan da aka tattauna a cikin wannan labarin? Idan kuna son ƙaddamar da amsa har zuwa kalmomi 300 ta imel don yiwuwar bugawa a cikin sashen wasiƙunmu, da fatan za a danna nan.
Tambayoyin da Aka Yi Yawa
Anan akwai jerin tambayoyin da aka yi yawa bisa ga maganar "Ina jin duka farin ciki da lalacewa" daga Olivia Wilde da Edward Norton game da yin fim ɗin barkwanci na jima'i
Tambayoyin Matakin Farko
Q Menene fim ɗin "Ina jin duka farin ciki da lalacewa"?
A Ba taken fim ba ne. Magana ce daga Olivia Wilde da Edward Norton suna kwatanta yadda suka ji yayin yin fim ɗin barkwanci na jima'i mai zuwa.
Q Wanene Olivia Wilde da Edward Norton?
A 'Yan wasan kwaikwayo ne. Olivia Wilde ita ma darekta ce. Edward Norton ɗan wasan kwaikwayo ne kuma mai shirya fina-finai.
Q Wane irin fim ne barkwanci na jima'i?
A Fim ne mai ban dariya wanda ke magana game da dangantaka, saduwa, da yanayin jima'i ta hanyar ban dariya.
Q Me yasa yin fim ɗin barkwanci zai sa su ji lalacewa?
A Yin kowane fim yana da gajiya. Barkwanci na jima'i na iya zama mai tsanani musamman saboda ya haɗa da yanayi na sirri, mara kyau, ko mai rauni wanda ke da gajiya ta jiki da ta tunani.
Tambayoyin Matakin Tsaka-tsaki
Q Menene "farin ciki da lalacewa" ke nufi a zahiri a cikin wannan mahallin?
A Yana nufin suna son ƙalubalen ƙirƙira da sakamako mai ban sha'awa, amma tsarin yana da matuƙar wahala, gajiya, kuma watakila ma ɗan kunya ko rashin jin daɗi.
Q Wannan jin na kowa ne ga 'yan wasan kwaikwayo da ke yin barkwanci na jima'i?
A E. Yawancin 'yan wasan kwaikwayo suna cewa suna jin haɗin girman kai da gajiya. Kusanci da wasan kwaikwayo na jiki suna buƙatar amana mai yawa, maimaitawa, da kuzarin tunani wanda zai iya barin ka gaji.
Q Menene manyan ƙalubalen yin barkwanci na jima'i ga 'yan wasan kwaikwayo?
A Manyan ƙalubalen sune: 1 Yin yanayi mara kyau ko na sirri ba tare da jin kunya ba. 2 Kiyaye ban dariya ta halitta ba wauta ba. 3 Kiyaye haɗin kai tare da abokan wasa don dogon maimaitawa.
Q Shin Olivia Wilde ta jagoranci wannan fim?
A A'a, tana taka rawa a cikinsa tare da Edward Norton. Wani darekta daban ne ke yin fim ɗin.
Tambayoyin Matakin Ci-gaba
Q Ta yaya magana kamar "farin ciki da lalacewa" ke canza talla ko tsammanin masu kallo?
A Tana nuna cewa fim ɗin yana da zurfi da gaske, ba kawai nishaɗi mara nauyi ba. Tana iya jawo hankalin masu kallo waɗanda ke son fina-finai masu motsin rai da gaske, amma kuma tana iya sa wasu su yi tunanin fim ɗin yana da tsanani ko rashin jin daɗi.
