Richard E. Grant: Mun daɗe da zama a fagen, amma hanyoyinmu ba su taɓa haɗuwa ba, ko?
Christine Baranski: Abin baƙin ciki, a'a. Da mun yi nishaɗi sosai shekaru da dama da suka wuce. Yarinya za ta iya shiga cikin matsala ta gaske. Amma ga mu nan, kuma yanzu mu ne tsofaffi. Kana ɗaya daga cikin manyan ƴan wasan kwaikwayo, kana fitowa cikin jin daɗi a abubuwa da yawa kuma koyaushe kana daidai.
REG: Marigayiyata ta ce ina cikin shekarun kayan yaji, inda ake ƙara ka a cikin abinci a irin waɗannan ƴan wasan kwaikwayo kamar vinegar ko ketchup ko mustard, kayan yaji ko pickle ko duk abin da. Ina tsammanin hakan daidai ne sosai.
CB: Yana sa a sami aiki mai ban sha'awa da bambancin. Kana da rayuwar shiryayye tabbas idan kai mace ce mai jagoranci. Yana da wuya a sauko daga kan matsayin, wanda shine abin da Hay Fever ya kunsa. Halina, Judith Bliss, ba ta iya yarda da cewa ba ta kan matsayin tana yin hakan ba kuma. Na sami dogon aiki saboda na ji daɗin zama 'yar wasa mai tallafawa. Na yi The Real Thing na Tom Stoppard a Broadway a 1984 [wanda ta lashe na farko daga cikin kyaututtukan Tony biyu]. Halina a cikin wannan, Charlotte, tana da wayo mai cizo kuma tana da wannan kyakkyawar mu'amala da Henry, wanda Jeremy Irons ya taka. Ina yin fage na, sannan in haura ɗakin tufafina, kuma mutane za su ce: "Oh, muna son ka dawo!" Za su koshi da ni da Hay Fever. Zai fi kama da: "Yaushe za ta bar mataki?"
Grant da Baranski a cikin shirye-shiryen Hay Fever. Hoto: Marc Brenner
Ryan Gilbey: Judith a cikin Hay Fever kowa ya taka daga Edith Evans da Celia Johnson zuwa Judi Dench, Penelope Keith da Lindsay Duncan. Me ya sa rawar take jan hankalin manyan ƴan wasa?
CB: To, ita 'yar wasa ce da ta tsufa, kuma yaya daɗi ne a taka hakan a shekarunka na ƙarshe. Duk game da girman kai da raunin tsufa ne. Akwai baƙin ciki a ciki; ina ganin ta ƙaunatacce sosai. Ba dole ba ne ka zama 'yar wasa da ta tsufa don jin haka a matsayin mace, musamman a al'adunmu. Muna manne wa ƙuruciya da rai. Za ka iya cewa duk yana kusa da camp, amma saboda Coward ne kuma yana rubutu da ƙauna da kuma izgili game da mutanen wasan kwaikwayo, yana da daɗi a ciki – camp mai ladabi. Ya rubuta shi yana ɗan shekara 24, don haka ko da yana saurayi yana da wannan fahimtar wani abu a bayan duk shaharar da kyawun.
Christine, wannan shine karon farko a West End amma wasan Coward na huɗu. Menene sirrin ƙwarewarsa?
CB: Idan ka gano, don Allah ka gaya mana? Sauri, iyawa, sauƙin sauti. Yana amfani da kalmomi a matsayin makamai. Ina so mutane su zauna su saurare saboda ba ma amfani da harshe irin wannan kuma, ko?
Judith da mijinta, David, wanda Richard ya taka, marasa karɓar baƙi ne sosai. Me ke sa mai karɓar baƙi nagari da liyafa mai kyau?
REG: Marigayiyata ta ce kowa a wurin ya kamata ya san aƙalla mutane biyu. Ba shi da kuskure, kuma yana nufin cewa kai a matsayin mai karɓar baƙi za ka iya barin mutane su ci gaba. Idan babu wanda ya san kowa, an yi maka. Na gano cewa duk lokacin da liyafa ta kasance mara daɗi, saboda babu isasshen manne na zamantakewa da farko.
CB: Mun yi liyafa mafi ban mamaki a gidan Richard a ƙarshen mako na farko da na zo London. Gida ne mafi ban sha'awa, mai sihiri. Za ka iya kwatanta shi gare ni, Richard.
REG: Maximalist.
CB: Zaune, shan abubuwan sha da dariya sun kasance Steve Martin da Martin Short, Helena Bonham Carter, Gary Oldman, ma'aurata daban-daban da 'yar Richard da surukinsa. Ya kasance mai sassauci sosai duk da manyan zuriyar duk waɗannan ƙwararrun mutane masu girman kai.
REG: Mu 12 ne, don haka za ka iya jin wani a ƙarshen teburin kuma ba ka jin an yanke ka. Christine ya riga ya san Steve, Marty da Helena amma ba Gary ba. Gary ya san Helena amma ba Steve da Marty ba. Akwai isasshen manne.
Grant (hagu) da Paul McGann a cikin Withnail and I. Hoto: Handmade Films/Kobal/Shutterstock
Kai da Gary Oldman kun yi aiki tare sau da yawa, ko, Richard? Ciki har da ɗaya daga cikin ƙididdigar farko, fim ɗin BBC na Les Blair Honest, Decent and True.
REG: Ee, wannan 1985 ne. Ranar da na isa nan bayan na yi ƙaura daga Swaziland a 1982, na je ganin Gary a wasan Summit Conference, tare da Glenda Jackson a matsayin Eva Braun da Georgina Hale a matsayin Clara Petacci, ƙawayen Hitler da Mussolini. A nan ne na fara saduwa da shi. Mu biyu mun yi aure a kusan lokaci ɗaya — to, Gary ya yi aure sau biyar — kuma 'yata ta haihu a kusan lokaci ɗaya da ɗansa na farko. Lokacin da na rasa nauyi don Withnail and I, na tambayi Gary yadda ya yi don Sid and Nancy. Na riga na shafe kusan shekara guda ba aiki ina ƙoƙarin samun nauyi saboda na karanta a wata mujalla cewa idan kana da tsayi ƙafa shida, ya kamata ka auna stone 12. Ban taɓa auna stone 12 a rayuwata ba, don haka ina shan foda na samun nauyi da zuwa gym da duk wannan. Sannan Bruce Robinson, daraktan Withnail, ya ce, "Za ka iya rasa stone?" Don haka na kira Gary, wanda ina tsammanin bai ci komai sai tuna da kankana ba; har ma ya ƙare a asibiti a wani lokaci. Na je Boots maimakon na sami foda na rasa nauyi, kuma aikin shekarata ya ɓace cikin mako guda.
Kafin haka, Bruce bai ce kana kama da "Dirk Bogarde mai kiba" ba?
REG: Ya ce. Har yanzu yana kirana Fatty.
Yayin da kake shiga don yin gwaji don Withnail, ka wuce Bill Nighy yana fitowa.
REG: Bill Nighy. Kenneth Branagh. Ƙungiyar mutane da yawa sun je don shi. Dole ne in karanta fagen kicin a farkon fim ɗin. Bruce ya gaya mini: "Bar Noël Coward. Halin ba shi da son zuciya kamar yadda kake tunani. Karanta shi da ƙarin fushi." Na shafe watanni tara ba aiki, don haka wannan fushin ya kasance mai sauƙin shiga.
Christine, kana karɓar baƙi?
CB: Ina da wani gida mai ban mamaki a kan tafki a Connecticut kuma na karɓi wasu shahararrun ƴan wasa a wurin. Yana da dogon dock wanda aka "grandfathered" a ciki — ba sa barin a gina dock mai tsayi haka kuma — amma wannan yana da kusan shekaru 100. Kana zaune a ɗakin zama a lokacin rani kana kallon faɗuwar rana, sannan ka fita cikin maraice ka yi skinny dip a tafkin. Lokacin da na yi Boeing-Boeing na watanni tara a Broadway tare da Mark Rylance, ya zama babban aboki — shi ne ubangida ga jikana na uku — kuma muna can muna kururuwa ga wata da ƙarfe huɗu na safe. Nishaɗi sosai.
REG: Ka taɓa samun wanda ba zai cire tufafinsa ba?
CB: Oh, ba sharadi ba ne. Ina ƙarfafa mutane ne kawai idan sun ji daɗi kuma idan duhu ne sosai. Ko da yake wata 'yar wasa da nake ƙauna ta nace tana yin sunbathing tsirara a tsakiyar rana. A gaskiya, za ta kwana a kan dock, ta yi barci a can sannan ta farka da asuba kuma ga ta!
Ka lashe Emmy a 1995 don sitcom Cybill, inda ka taka babbar abokiyar Cybill Shepherd da aka saki. Amma ba ka son yin TV, ko?
CB: Tabbas. Musamman saboda ba na son zama a Los Angeles. Ina kuma da aikin wasan kwaikwayo mai ƙarfi sosai, daga wasa zuwa wasa; ina son shi. Ya zama batun renon yara biyu da biyan kuɗin karatu. Don haka a 41 ko 42, na fara aikin talabijin tare da sharadi cewa zan yi tafiya. Ban taɓa sayen gidaje a LA ba. Na zauna a otal kuma ina kan jirgin farko na dawowa wurin yara. Lashe Emmy ya ba ni wannan ganuwa. Na yi aiki tare da Mike Nichols a kan The Real Thing, amma saboda Emmy ne ya ba ni rawar a The Birdcage. Yawancin aikin fim da talabijin na ya faru bayan shekaru 40.
Duba hoto a cikakken allo
'Na sami dogon aiki saboda na ji daɗin zama 'yar wasa mai tallafawa' … Baranski a cikin Cybill. Hoto: CBS Photo Archive/Getty Images
REG: Na karanta jiya cewa akwai adadi mara misaltuwa na Emmy da ke zuwa ga 'yan wasan mata sama da 50 a wannan shekara.
CB: Lokaci ya yi.
Christine da ɗaya daga cikin masu nasara na wannan shekara, Jean Smart daga Hacks, sun taka 'yan wasan babur a The OdCB: A gaskiya! Ee, Jean ta yi rawa da Jack Lemmon, kuma na sami damar yin rawa da Walter Matthau. Ba fim mai kyau ba ne, amma yin aiki da waɗannan mutanen a ƙarshen ayyukansu... oh, ina son su. Lemmon ƙwararren ƙwararre ne, koyaushe shine farkon wanda ke kan saiti, kuma Matthau ya kasance wannan tsoho mai fushi, mai ƙauna.
REG: Da yake magana kan Mike Nichols, na ci abincin dare tare da Mike shekaru 22 da suka wuce, daren da zan je Afirka don yin fim ɗin da na ba da umarni, Wah-Wah. Na tambaye shi shawara, kuma ya ce—ban da samun masu dafa abinci nagari—ƴan wasa koyaushe za su iya yin wasa da sauri fiye da yadda suke tsammani. Ya ce: "Yi takes ɗin da ka ji daɗi da su. Ba ƴan wasan takes ɗin da suka ji daɗi da su. Sannan ka gaya musu: 'Bari mu yi ɗaya don Mike.'" Yana da ban mamaki, sauri da tasiri lokacin da mutane ba sa tsayawa da karya... layi... kowane... lokaci. Domin ba ma yin haka a rayuwa, ko? Shawara ce mai kyau.
CB: Ta kasance. Ba zai iya jurewa son zuciya ba. Ya kasance mai hankali sosai kuma yana son bayyananniyar magana. Richard, ka ji daɗin yin aiki da Robert Altman?
REG: Na ji. Na yi aiki tare da shi a kan The Player da Gosford Park da wani mummunan fim mai suna Pret-a-Porter. Yayin da sauran biyun suna da rubutun, Pret-a-Porter ya kasance kamar haka: "Ryan, Christine da Richard sun haɗu a ƙaramin ɗaki. Ta zubar da ruwa. Suna jayayya. Yi improvise." Ba shi da tsari kuma ya zama haɗarin mota a sakamakon. Idan kana da rubutu mai kyau, za ka iya ƙawata da ƙara abubuwa, amma wannan ya kasance gaba ɗaya. Akwai wata rana ta hauka lokacin da Danny Aiello ya rasa komai. Sophia Loren ya kamata ta suma, kuma ya shiga cikin fagen ya fara ɗauka: "Zan ba ta numfashi na baki!" Ya kira Lauren Bacall "mace mai ra'ayin hagu." Sannan ya zagi Rupert Everett saboda Ingilishi da kuma...
CB: Oh dear. Lauren ta cinye shi ta tofa shi?
REG: Ba ta ɗauki fursunoni ba. Ta yayyage shi. Ya fi duk abin da ya faru a fim ɗin da kansa ban mamaki. Babu wani daga cikin ƴan wasan da ya yi magana da Danny bayan haka; sun tura shi Coventry.
CB: Dukanmu muna da labarunmu. Christine, ka taɓa yin aiki kamar yadda Altman ya yi, da kyamarori da yawa kuma ƴan wasan ba koyaushe suka san tabbas ko suna cikin hoto ba?
CB: Kaɗan a talabijin. Ina tsammanin hanya ce mai kyau ta sa ƴan wasa su kasance a shirye. Sitcoms na iya zama masu ban tsoro, ko da yake. Idan masu sauraron studio ba su yi dariya ba, marubutan za su tafi su kawo wani wargi daban nan take. Koyaushe suna daidaitawa kuma dole ne ka kama waɗannan layukan. Ka san dole ne ka sami wannan dariyar saboda aikinka ne. Horon ne mai ban mamaki. Bayan duk wannan wasan kwaikwayo, na gaya wa manajana: "Lokaci ya yi da zan yi rawar wasan kwaikwayo." Yi hankali da abin da kake so, domin idan The Gilded Age ya ci gaba shekara ta biyar, wannan zai zama shekaru 18 a jere na aikin talabijin, bayan The Good Wife da The Good Fight.
Tare da kai a The Gilded Age, da Richard a Gosford Park da Downton Abbey, ku biyu ɓangare ne na Julian Fellowes Dramatic Universe.
REG: Ee, amma ba mu da arziki kamar Julian Fellowes. To, Christine tabbas tana da, amma ni ba.
Na lura da wasu kamanceceniya a kan CV ɗinku. Ku biyu sun fito a cikin manyan wasan kwaikwayo na Steve Martin: Richard a LA Story, Christine a Bowfinger.
CB: Ina tsammanin ba a yaba shi sosai. Tabbas yana da wasu daga cikin mafi kyawun aikin Eddie Murphy. Ya kasance babba a lokacin. Ranarsa ta farko a kan saiti, dole ne in yi tafiya a kan titi in buge shi. Ɗan wasa ne mai hankali sosai. Kuma Allah, yana da ilhami na wasan kwaikwayo! Shi ma mutum ne mai sirri sosai.
REG: Don haka ba zai yi skinny-dipping a Connecticut ba?
CB: Babu skinny-dipping da Eddie Murphy.
A farkon ayyukanku, ku biyu kun fito a cikin wani fim mai ban tsoro na batsa. Richard yana cikin Henry & June, fim ɗin da ya haifar da ƙirƙirar NC-17 mai rikici (mafi girman shekaru) a Amurka. REG: Haka ne. Yana da yawan jima'i da wuraren gidan karuwai. CB: Ba a san mu da ayyukan batsa ba, ya kamata in ce. Amma ee, nawa shine 9½ Weeks. Na taka abokiyar Kim Basinger. Ina da fagen abincin dare inda na daidaita teaspoon a ƙarshen hancina. Kuma zan iya sha yayin da yake rataye a can. REG: Ya kamata ka yi hakan a lokacin fagen karin kumallo a Hay Fever. CB: Kuma in wuce ka, masoyina? Hay Fever yana a gidan wasan kwaikwayo na Wyndham, London, har zuwa 12 Disamba.
Tambayoyin da ake yawan yi
Ga jerin tambayoyin da ake yawan yi dangane da hira da Christine Baranski da Richard E Grant
Su wanene Christine Baranski da Richard E Grant
Shahararrun ƴan wasa ne Baranski an san ta da The Good Fight da Mamma Mia Grant an san shi da Withnail I da Can You Ever Forgive Me
Menene wannan labarin ya kunsa
Hira ce inda ƴan wasan biyu suka tattauna ayyukansu yin aiki tare da yadda yake zama tsofaffin ƴan wasa a Hollywood
Menene ma'anar taken We could have had a lot of fun a few decades ago
Wargi ne tsakanin ƴan wasan biyu Suna nufin cewa da sun haɗu sun yi aiki tare sa'ad da suke ƙanana da sun fi yin liyafa da haifar da matsala
Me suka ce game da fage na jima'i
Suna yin wargi game da su Baranski ta ce tana farin ciki ba ta ƙara yin su Grant ya yi wargi cewa ba a taɓa neman shi ya yi su ba sa'ad da yake saurayi
Me suka ce game da liyafa
Suna magana game da liyafar da suka halarta a baya Sun ambaci cewa masana'antar nishaɗi ta kasance fiye da shan giya da zamantakewa fiye da yau
Me suka ce game da wasan kwaikwayo
Dukansu suna son wasan kwaikwayo Sun ce hanyar ƴan wasa ce saboda ɗan wasa ne ke sarrafa wasan kwaikwayon ba kamar fim ba inda darakta da masu gyara ke sarrafa sakamakon ƙarshe
Suna jin daɗin yin aiki tare yanzu
Ee Sun ce suna jin daɗin yin aiki tare a The Gilded Age Suna jin daɗin kamfanin juna da barkwanci
Me ya sa ba su yi aiki tare shekaru da dama da suka wuce ba
Lokaci ne kawai Ayyukansu sun bi hanyoyi daban-daban kuma ba su sami damar haɗin gwiwa ba har kwanan nan
Menene The Gilded Age
Shiri ne na TV a HBO Yana game da attajirai a birnin New York a shekarun 1880 Baranski da Grant duk suna cikin shirin
Menene fage na jima'i a wasan kwaikwayo
Fage ne a fim ko shirin TV inda ƴan wasa suke yin kamar suna kusanci ko yin jima'i Yawanci ana tsara shi kamar rawa
Me ya sa ƴan wasa suke korafin fage na jima'i
Suna iya zama marasa daɗi Dole ƴan wasa su yi kamar suna kusanci da wanda ƙila ba su san shi sosai ba Yana iya zama rashin jin daɗi a jiki
