Zaune a cikin wani gidan abinci na otal a Denver a tsakiyar ziyarar Amurka tare da ƙungiyarsa Bleachers, Jack Antonoff ya ɗaga kafaɗa. "Akwai wannan matsananciyar buƙata ta gano ni," in ji shi a cikin ɓacin rai, "kuma ban san inda ta ke zuwa ba, domin na ci gaba da bayyana komai."
Yana da magana. A cikin shekaru 12 da suka gabata, Bleachers sun fitar da jerin albam cike da waƙoƙin Antonoff na sirri da gaskiya. Kasancewa na sirri da gaskiya shi ne ainihin manufar. Antonoff a baya ya kasance mawaƙin guitar a Fun, ƙungiyar pop-rock da ta yi fice da waƙarsu ta 2011 We Are Young. Duk da cewa ya haɗa waƙar da ta sayar da kwafi miliyan 10 a Amurka kaɗai, Antonoff ya ce ya "ƙi" wannan gogewa "domin ni ba shugaba ba ne, ba kalmomina ba ne, kuma ina buƙatar rubuta waƙar da, idan na mutu gobe, za ta zama labarin rayuwata."
Ya ce ya nace cewa lakabin sa na lokacin ya fitar da wannan waƙar, I Wanna Get Better, a matsayin waƙar farko ta Bleachers "don sanar da mutane abin da za su fuskanta." Ta nuna Antonoff a zahiri yana kururuwa cikin baƙin ciki, "na rasa hankalina" da baƙin ciki bayan ƙanwarsa ta mutu tana da shekara 13 daga ciwon daji na kwakwalwa. Za ka iya gane cewa ya kafa salon ikirari na aikin Bleachers kawai ta kallon wasu daga cikin sunayen waƙoƙinsu: I'm Ready to Move On, Everybody Lost Somebody, Stop Making This Hurt, Self-Respect, I Can't Believe You're Gone, We Should Talk.
Sabon albam ɗinsu, Everyone for Ten Minutes, yana ba masu sauraron sa abin da za ka iya kira labarin asalin Jack Antonoff: akwai waƙoƙi game da shekarunsa na samartaka da ya yi tafiya a Amurka a cikin motar iyayensa, yana zagayawa wuraren wasan punk da suka lalace tare da ƙungiyar emo mai suna Outline, wanda a cewarsa kwarewa ce mai ban tsoro ("Matasa, a cikin mota, suna shan giya da yawa, suna shan taba, suna shan magungunan psychedelic, suna shan abin da muke tsammanin hash ne amma ya zama black opium," in ji shi yana dariya. "Ina mamakin yadda muka tsira"), wanda iyayensa suka yarda da shi kawai saboda rashin lafiyar ƙanwarsa ya nuna "ba za su iya damuwa da wani abu da ba shi da mahimmanci ba. Lokacin da wani abu mai tsanani, na wanzuwa ke faruwa a rayuwarka, za ka ɗan rage damuwa game da tikitin ajiye mota ko maki, ka sani?"
Akwai bambanci tsakanin karɓar lokaci cikin farin ciki da wani abu da ya dogara da damuwa.
Idan Bleachers ne kawai abin da Jack Antonoff yake yi, da komai zai zama mai sauƙi sosai. Amma ba haka ba, ba su ne dukan labarin ba. Kusan lokacin da ya fara ƙungiyar, ya sadu da Taylor Swift a wani bikin bayar da kyaututtuka, sun haɗu kan ƙaunar da suke da ita ga ƙungiyar synth duo ta 80s Yazoo, kuma ya fara haɗin gwiwar ƙirƙira wanda a ƙarshe ya sa Antonoff ya zama mai yiwuwa furodusan pop da ake nema sosai a duniya: ya yi aiki ba kawai a kan albam 11 na Taylor Swift ba, har da Sabrina Carpenter, Lorde, Lana Del Rey, St Vincent, Kendrick Lamar da Gracie Abrams, da sauransu da yawa. Yana da matsayi mai kishi na kasancewa babban furodusan pop mai girma wanda kuma ke yin angst-rock mai bayyana rai, mai tasirin Bruce Springsteen, kuma ya nace cewa babu ɗaya da ya fi ɗayan mahimmanci a cikin aikinsa.
"Na kasance cikin ƙaramin rukuni na mutanen da suke yin duka biyun da gaske, watakila," in ji shi yana miƙa kai. "Yawanci wani yana yin wasa a gefe ɗaya: mawaƙan waƙoƙi ko masu wasan kwaikwayo waɗanda suke tunanin za su iya yin furodusar rikodin amma sai sun damu da aikin wani sosai, ko furodusai waɗanda suke tunanin, 'Yanzu lokaci na ne!' amma ba su da wannan abin da ba za ka iya ma kwatanta shi ba wanda ya ja ka rubuta waƙoƙinka kuma ka rera su a gaban mutane tun kana yaro."
Hakika, duk da dukan adawarsa cewa shi mai sauƙi ne sosai, Jack Antonoff yana kama da komai sai dai haka. Maimakon haka, yana kama da tarin rikice-rikice da sabani wanda wani lokaci za ka ji yana ƙoƙarin warware su da kansa, a gabanka. A fili yana da ƙwazo sosai, amma yana damuwa Ƙwazonsa yana da alaƙa da "laifin wanda ya tsira" game da mutuwar ƙanwarsa—"game da rashin neman abubuwa ko amfani da lokacina lokacin da wanda kake ƙauna bai sami lokaci ba, wanda ba shine mafi kyawun hanyar rayuwa ba—akwai bambanci tsakanin karɓar lokaci cikin farin ciki da wani abu da ya dogara da damuwa."
Duba hoto a cikakken alloJack na kowane fanni … Antonoff tare da (daga hagu) Phoebe Bridgers, Julien Baker da Lucy Dacus na boygenius da Taylor Swift a Kyaututtukan Grammy na 2024. Hoto: Michael Buckner/Billboard/Getty Images
Ya la'anci kwararar ra'ayoyi akai-akai a intanet: "Ban damu ba kuma, kamar, ainihin aikin shiga cikin mummunan hali a intanet babban abin dariya ne mara ƙima, kuma ina tsammanin masu fasaha sun daɗe suna karanta shi kuma babu komai a can." Amma haka kuma ya ce yana jin daɗin yin "albam masu matuƙar mahimmanci … taimakawa wajen tsarawa da jagorantar wani abu da kowa zai yi ra'ayi akai, wanda mutane suke son yin mafi zafi ra'ayi akai."
Yana tsammanin an fahimci rawar da ya taka wajen yin wasu daga cikin manyan rikodin ƙarni har yanzu a matsayin ɓoye da machiavellian ("Yana da ban haushi, ba za a guje shi ba, mai hauka a ko'ina … mai kula da Tasteful Pop," wani labari a gidan yanar gizon kiɗa Pitchfork ya nuna rashin amincewa, wanda ya ci gaba da zarge shi da "musical manspreading" kuma ya ba da shawarar cewa yana da "extreme Main Character Energy"). "Ɗaya daga cikin manyan kuskuren fahimtar yadda abin ke aiki a duniyata shine cewa ina rubuta waƙoƙi kuma in ba da su ga, kamar, tauraron pop, wanda ban taɓa yi ba a rayuwata," in ji shi, amma ya ƙi yin magana kan yadda abin ke aiki da gaske saboda "ba shi da mahimmanci sosai." Bugu da ƙari, ya gaji da mutane kullum suna ƙoƙarin bayyana komai a intanet. "Kana kan wayarka kullum ana bayyana maka wani abu," in ji shi. "Ana bayyana maka abin da ke faruwa a wannan ƙasa, ana bayyana maka yadda jirgin ƙasa ke aiki, kamar zubar da bayanai ne kuma yana kashe tunanin mutane. 'Kana son yin sauti kamar Jack Antonoff? Ga yadda ya yi!' Ya sa na so in bar mutane su yi tunanin sihirin duka."
Tabbas, a cikin mahallin pop na ƙarni na 21, shi kifi ne mai ban mamaki sosai. A fili shi mutum ne da ke tafiya cikin sauƙi mai kishi a tsakanin manyan pop: da alama ya ƙare yana aiki kan albam ɗin Kendrick Lamar na 2024 GNX wanda ya lashe Grammy da yawa lokacin da ya shiga ɗakin studio don ziyartar abokinsa kuma "bai tafi ba har shekaru uku"; Bruce Springsteen ba kawai tasiri ba ne amma aboki ne, abokin haɗin gwiwa tare da Bleachers kuma jagora (mafi kyawun shawara da The Boss ya bayar: "Kada ka rayu a cikin mafarki, bar mafarkin ya rayu cikin ka"). Amma Antonoff duka yana kama da wanda zai iya kasancewa ya shafe shekarunsa na samartaka yana wasa a shagunan littattafai na anarchist akan magunguna fiye da wanda ya haɗa, a ce, Please Please Please ta Sabrina Carpenter—gajeren gashi, wando na skate da ya yage, T-shirt na Sonic Youth—kuma sau da yawa yana sauti kamar ɗan waje na indie mai fafutuka fiye da wanda ya ji daɗin chicken nuggets da caviar a bikin auren Taylor Swift.
Tabbas, ya fi 'yanci da ra'ayinsa fiye da yadda za ka yi tsammani daga wanda ke aiki a matakin farko na pop, duniyar da masu fasaha sukan sami duk wata damar da za su iya haifar da rikici an horar da su a cire. A halin yanzu yana cikin yaƙin kalmomi da Live Nation kan farashin tikitin wasan kwaikwayo (yana alfahari cewa tikitin Bleachers "sun yi ƙasa kamar yadda za su iya a zahiri"). "Live Nation suna ci gaba da rasa ma'anar, domin duk lokacin da na ce wani abu, sai su kira mutanena su ce: 'Mu yi taro.' Ba ku gane ba, ba na son yin magana da ku mutanen, ina so in bayyana cewa ban yarda ba da ku mai da abu mafi tsarki a duniya zuwa wani … free-market bullshit … ra'ayin cewa idan kana da kuɗi, duk tikitin da kake so naka ne a kowane lokaci, kuma idan ba ka da shi, dole ne ka shiga wannan gogewar intanet mai ɓata rai inda ake dukan ka, a kore ka, a yi maka rikici."Duba hoto a cikakken alloLokacin da Fun Ya Tsaya, Tsaya … Antonoff (hagu) tare da Nate Ruess da Andrew Dost a babbar ƙungiyarsa ta farko. Hoto: Dave Hogan/Getty ImagesLokacin da na sadu da shi, tashoshin sada zumunta nasa cike da zagi daga masu sharhi da suka fusata cewa wani ɗan fasaha Bayahude ya yi magana "free Palestine" a kan mataki a wasannin Bleachers. Ya nuna cewa yana faɗin haka tun kafin rikicin Ed Sheeran/Macklemore na baya-bayan nan ya barke, amma ya ce ya "ji ƙarin ƙarfin gwiwa don faɗin haka yanzu, domin ba wani abu mai ban mamaki, mara daɗi, ko mai kawo rigima ba ne a faɗe shi—abin da ya shafi ɗan adam ne sosai. Idan kana tunanin haka ne [mai kawo rigima], ka ɓace cikin wani miya mai hauka sosai. Za su bar wani ɗan talla ya gaya mini abin da zan iya faɗa? Kada su yi mini booking. Zan yi wasa kyauta a waje. [Ed Sheeran] ya rasa babbar dama mai kyau a can: kawai soke dukan ziyarar, sannan ka yi wasa kyauta a wajen kowane wuri, ka tara kuɗi da yawa, maimakon barin wani biloniya ya gaya maka abin da za ka yi. Dalilin da ya sa ba abin ban mamaki ba ne ko batun wani yanki shi ne domin dukanmu muna rayuwa a duniyar da 'yan biloniya ke ci gaba da gaya mana abin da za mu yi. Don haka tashi tsaye."Tsallake tallan wasiƙar labaraiWasiƙar labarai kyauta | Mako-makoYi rajista don The GuideSamu imel ɗin al'adun pop na mako-mako, kyauta a akwatin saƙonka kowace Juma'aShigar da imel ɗinka Yi rajistaBayan tallan wasiƙar labaraiTabbas, za ka iya jayayya cewa Antonoff yana da ƙarin 'yanci don zama marar kariya fiye da masu fasahar da yake aiki da su. Bleachers suna jin daɗin wani nau'in nasara mai ban mamaki—albam ɗinsu suna sayarwa cikin mutunci maimakon na sararin samaniya, kuma Antonoff ya nuna cewa ba su taɓa zuwa "ko kusa" da samun babban hit na crossover ba. Duk da haka suna iya cika Madison Square Garden da masu sauraro waɗanda Antonoff ya ce ba su nan don ganin "ƙungiyar furodusan." Shahararsa da kansa galibi ta hanyar wakilci ce, godiya ga abokan da yake tare da su a ɗakin rikodin—bikin aurensa na 2023 da ɗan wasan kwaikwayo Margaret Qualley ya faru a tsakiyar taron magoya baya da paparazzi, amma da alama hakan ba shi da alaƙa da amarya da ango fiye da gaskiyar cewa Taylor Swift ta halarta.A kwanan nan, shafukan tsegumi sun kasance da rai, da farko tare da littafin tarihin tsohuwar abokiyarsa Lena Dunham Famesick, wanda ya nuna cewa ɗaya daga cikin dalilan da soyayyarsu ta lalace shine Antonoff ya fi mai da hankali kan jagorantar Lorde ta cikin Difficult Second Album fiye da dangantakarsu, kuma daga baya da labarin rushewar aurensa. Hakan ya zo da mamaki ganin cewa Bleachers sun fitar da albam mai cike da girmamawa ga Qualley da aure makonni kaɗan kafin a san rabuwarsu: ɗaya daga cikinsu, You and Forever, har ma ya zo da bidiyo wanda ma'auratan suka fito tare."Yarjejeniyar da na yi da masu saurarona ita ce zan gaya muku gaskiya yadda nake ji, kuma zan yi kasada in tsaya bayan hakan."Don haka Antonoff a halin yanzu yana cikin ziyara, yana rera waƙoƙi game da dangantakar da ta ƙare. Lokacin da na ambace shi, da farko ya katse ni—"Oh, zan iya tunanin abin da za ka ce: abin ban mamaki ne"—sannan ya bayyana batuna: "Waƙoƙin da na rubuta kwanan nan," in ji shi yana miƙa kai. "A fili na damu sosai game da wannan takamaiman abu. Na zauna na daɗe ina tunani kuma na yi tunani: 'Idan na canza jerin waƙoƙi …' kuma a cikina akwai juri ɗaya da ya ce, 'A'a, wannan ita ce yarjejeniyar. Yarjejeniyar da na yi da masu saurarona ita ce zan gaya muku gaskiya yadda nake ji, kuma zan yi kasada a kowane lokaci in tsaya bayan hakan har abada.'"Magoya baya da manyan taurari sun taru don bikin auren Taylor Swift da Travis Kelce a New York – cikin hotunaƘara karatu"Kowa zai iya danganta da""Akwai baƙin ciki mai tsanani da zafi, amma akwai kuma babban ƙarfi a ciki," in ji shi. "A zahiri ya kasance mai kyau sosai. Ina nufin, mutane suna taruwa, sun san abin da na rubuta waƙa akai, sun san yadda hakan dole ya ji mini yanzu, sun san abin da waƙar take nufi a gare ka a matsayin mai sauraro—kawai riƙe duka da murna. Ba na sake rubuta abin da ya gabata, kuma ba ni da kunya game da abubuwan da na faɗa. Rayuwata ta sadaukar don sa ba zai yiwu in sake rubuta abin da ya gabata ba, domin ina tsaye a can ina rera yadda na ji a lokacin farin ciki, don haka lokacin da lokacin baƙin ciki ya zo ba zan iya kallon kaina a madubi in yi kamar waɗannan lokutan ba su wanzu ba. Na fi so in rayu ta wani abu a fili fiye da guje shi a ɓoye."
Bayan mun yi magana, a kan mataki a Red Rocks Amphitheatre na Colorado, wasan kwaikwayon Bleachers na Dirty Wedding Dress da You and Forever suna ɗauke da ƙarfin motsin rai mai cike da damuwa. Antonoff ya bi na ƙarshe da kunna I Wanna Get Better shi kaɗai a kan guitar acoustic. Masu sauraro—waɗanda, kamar yadda ya yi alkawari, haɗe ne na ban mamaki na mata 'yan shekaru ashirin, ma'aurata masu matsakaicin shekaru, da tarwatsaɗɗen Deadheads masu tsufa a cikin T-shirts tie-dye, waɗanda babu wanda ya yi kama da yana can don ganin furodusan Taylor Swift a zahiri—suna rera tare da ƙarfi sosai har suna cikin haɗarin nutsar da shi gaba ɗaya. Na ɗan lokaci, a cikin hasken wuta, Jack Antonoff baya buƙatar a gano shi.
Bleachers suna ziyara a Burtaniya da Ireland daga 23 Nuwamba zuwa 4 Disamba; ziyarar tana farawa a Kingston upon Thames. Albam ɗinsu Everyone for Ten Minutes ya fito yanzu.
Tambayoyin da ake yawan yi
Ga jerin tambayoyin da ake yawan yi dangane da maganganun Jack Antonoff game da laifin wanda ya tsira, baƙin cikin jama'a da ci gaba da rera waƙoƙin soyayya bayan rabuwa
1 Menene Jack Antonoff ke nufi da "Na fi so in shiga cikin wani abu a fili fiye da guje shi a ɓoye"
Yana nufin ya fi so ya magance ji mai zafi a fili—ta hanyar kiɗansa da cikin hira—fiye da binne su da yin kamar komai yana da kyau. A gare shi, fitowa fili wani ɓangare ne na waraka ba wasan kwaikwayo ba.
2 Menene laifin wanda ya tsira
Laifin da wani ke ji lokacin da ya tsira daga wani bala'i ko wahala da wasu ba su tsira ba, ko lokacin da rayuwarsa ta yi sauƙi fiye da ta wani. Antonoff ya yi magana game da jin hakan dangane da asara da gwagwarmayar lafiyar kwakwalwa.
3 Me ya sa Antonoff ke jin laifin wanda ya tsira
Ya yi magana game da rasa mutanen da suke kusa da shi da jin rikice-rikice game da nasararsa da tsira. AmSa gama gari ce ga baƙin ciki—tunanin me ya sa ni ne yayin da wasu ba su yi sa'a ba.
4 Me ya sa har yanzu yake rera waƙoƙin soyayya bayan rabuwa
Domin waƙoƙin game da gogewa ta gaske ne waɗanda ba sa ɓacewa lokacin da dangantaka ta ƙare. Rera su gaskiya ne kuma yana barin shi da masu sauraronsa su zauna da ji mai rikitarwa maimakon shafe su.
5 Ashe ba abin kunya ba ne yin waƙoƙin soyayya game da tsohon abokin tarayya
Zai iya zama haka amma Antonoff yana ɗaukarsa wani ɓangare na aikin da kuma na gaskiya. Waƙoƙin sun zama na masu sauraro ma yanzu kuma yin su ya shafi kiɗa ne ba sake rayuwa da dangantakar ba.
6 Menene amfanin magance zafi a fili maimakon a ɓoye
Zai iya rage kunya, taimaka wa wasu su ji ba su kaɗai ba, kuma mai da gogewa mai wahala wani abu mai ma'ana. Hakanan yana guje wa gajiyar ɓoye yadda kake ji.
7 Akwai illoli ga magance abubuwa a fili
Ee, magance abubuwa a fili yana jawo hukunci, kuskuren ambato da kulawa da ba a so. Hakanan yana iya ɓata layi tsakanin waraka da wasan kwaikwayo. Mutane da yawa suna buƙatar cakuda gaskiya ta fili da tallafi na sirri.
8 Shin fitowa fili yana nufin raba komai
A'a, manufar Antonoff ita ce rashin guje wa ji mai wahala ba game da wuce gona da iri ba. Za ka iya zama mai buɗe ido game da gogewa gaba ɗaya yayin da ka riƙe takamaiman bayanai a sirri.
9 Ta yaya za ka san ko fitowa fili daidai ne a gare ka
Tambayi kanka: Shin wannan zai taimaka mini in magance ko ina neman tabbaci? Ina da tallafi na sirri? Abokai
Na fi so in shiga wani abu a fili da jama'a da in guje shi a ɓoye': Jack Antonoff kan laifin mai tsira da har yanzu yana rera waƙoƙin soyayya bayan rabuwarsa
