Yana fusata mutane idan na ci": Siobhán McSweeney kan ingantattun kayan ciye-ciye, matsin lamba daga iyaye – da kuma ƙarfin kasancewa "mai kitse mai daɗi

Siobhán McSweeney tana koya mini hanyar da ta fi so ta jin daɗin fakiti na crisps ɗin cuku da albasa. Ta ajiye murabba'i biyu masu kama da juna na cakulan Cadbury's Dairy Milk, tarin Tayto crisps guda biyu da gwangwani biyu na Guinness a kan teburin da ke gabanmu – kuma tana ba da umarni mai tsauri. "Kada ki haɗiye!" ta yi ƙara cikin salon wasan kwaikwayo, sai na tsaya cak, bakina cike da Taytos. Dabarar, in ji McSweeney, ita ce ki sa crisps ɗin, cakulan da Guinness a bakinki a lokaci ɗaya, sannan ki juya su kaɗan don yin wani irin miya mai maye da albasa. "Kin gani?" McSweeney tana kallona da kyau don tabbatar da cewa ina sa dukkan kayan a bakina a tsarin da ya dace. "Yana da daɗi! Daɗi sosai!" McSweeney ta shiga hankalin jama'a a shekarar 2018 da Derry Girls, jerin shirye-shiryen barkwanci game da ƙungiyar 'yan mata 'yan makarantar Katolika, wanda aka saita a kan yanayin Troubles a Arewacin Ireland a shekarun 1990. McSweeney ta lashe Bafta tana wasa shugabar makarantar 'yan matan, Sister Michael – wata zuhuriya mai zagi, mai son judo – kuma tana iya lasafta Martin Scorsese a matsayin mai sonta. Da aka tambaye ta shawara kan TV a wata tattaunawa a 2022, daraktan ya ambaci Derry Girls sannan ya ɗaga hannunsa sama a wani irin gaisuwa, yana mai cewa cikin farin ciki, "Waɗannan zuhuriya!" Na shafe sa'o'i da yawa ina kallon McSweeney a matsayin Sister Michael har ya zama kusan abin mamaki in gan ta ba tare da rigar zuhuriya ba. Muna haɗuwa yau, a wani ɗakin taro a London, domin McSweeney tana karɓar ragamar daga Grace Dent a matsayin sabuwar mai gabatar da podcast ɗin abinci na Guardian, Comfort Eating. Na isa wurin hira da fakiti mai yawa na Taytos, Dairy Milk mai girman iyali da gwangwani biyu na Guinness a cikin jakar kekena, domin McSweeney ta zaɓi wannan haɗin a matsayin abincin da ta fi so lokacin da ta bayyana a podcast ɗin a matsayin baƙo, a shekarar 2021. Ta kuma ba da labari game da cin wata katapila da ta faɗo daga rufin da asu suka mamaye zuwa cikin stir-fry ɗinta, don kawai ba ta damu da fitar da ita ba. "Ji: protein," in ji ta yau, tana tunawa da wannan katapilar. "Protein kyauta inda za ki samu." Tun daga Derry Girls, 'yar wasan kwaikwayo ta saba nuna mata masu ɗan tsoratarwa. Tana wasa da shahararriyar mai dafa abinci Della Fry mai zagi a Amandaland, kuma tana gabatar da sigar Irish na The Traitors, inda take ba da umarni ga gungun karnukan wolfhound kuma tana sa riguna masu ruff da yawa. Amma a yau, gashin McSweeney gajere, mai launin azurfa-toka, an shafa shi baya daga fuskarta kuma tana sanye da tufafi na yau da kullum, wando da wata riga mai sauƙi. Sister Michael kullum tana jingina a kujerarta tana duba ki cikin ba'a a kan tebur – amma ainihin McSweeney tana jingina gaba tana yin tambayoyi da yawa. Lokacin abincin rana ne, don haka na kawo abincin da aka saya daga gidan abincin Indiya Dishoom tare da ni, da kuma Taytos ɗin. "Ina son yin wannan podcast ɗin domin yana fusata mutane idan ina cin abinci," in ji McSweeney, tana cin curry ɗin kifi. Wani ɓangare na dalilin da ya sa ta karɓi aikin mai gabatar da Comfort Eating, in ji ta, shi ne domin jin daɗin abincinta a bayyane – a matsayin mace da ba siriri ba – wani irin tsokana ne. "An gaya musu cewa wani kamar ni bai kamata ya ji daɗin kansa ba," in ji ta, tana murmushi da haƙoranta a gare ni. "Kasancewa mai daɗi mai kitse." Tun daga lokacin da ta fara zuwa makarantar wasan kwaikwayo, a farkon shekarun 2000, mutane suna gaya wa McSweeney ta rage nauyi. "Wakilai, daraktocin zaɓe, malamai" – McSweeney tana duba jerin a gare ni yanzu, kusan cikin sauƙi. "Na kasance da girma dabam-dabam amma ba a taɓa samun girman da aka yarda da shi ba," in ji ta. "'Marasa ɗa'a' na kira shi – akwai wani irin rashin ɗa'a da aka tilasta wa jikina wanda ni kaina ba na ji da shi. Ita ba ta damu ba, amma wasu suna ganin shi mara ɗa'a ne kuma mara kyau." Duk sauran 'yan matan a kwalejin wasan kwaikwayo nata suna yunwar kansu, McSweeney ta tuna. "Sun kasance suna yunwa a makarantar sakandare ma – shekarun 90 ne! Ban san yadda na tsira ba." Tana murmushi a gare ni kuma. "Ba na tsammanin ina da ƙarfin zuciya don kada in ci. Gaskiya ba ni da horo sosai." Ya bayyana a gare ni cewa ci gaba da son kanki da jikinki, duk da irin wannan bincike mai muni, ba gazawar ƙarfin zuciya ba ce face akasin haka – hujja ce cewa McSweeney tana da ƙarfin zuciya na ƙarfe. Da ta amsa wani mummunan suka a kan layi game da kamanninta a 2023, McSweeney ta ba da wani irin darasi a fasahar darajar kai, ta tweet: "Ina da kyau sosai. Ina son gashina. Kuma ina son abinci. Kuma ba na nadama cewa ina da murya. Na yi tunanin feminism yana gwagwarmaya domin in kasance da murya. Kuma lafazina yana da kyau. Haƙorana rawaya ne kuma a tsaye, gaskiya ne. Amma ni ba na damu sosai. Kuma kai cikakke ne?" "Na koyar, na yi aikin jira, na ja pint, na tafi kan dole, na yi aiki a bukukuwan kiɗa. Kuma na kasance shirme a kowane ɗaya daga cikinsu." Hoto: Jay Brooks/The Guardian McSweeney ta ce ba za ta ma damu da amsa irin wannan cin zarafi na kan layi ba a kwanakin nan, domin "yanzu ya yi hauka sosai a kafofin sada zumunta. Babu gaskiya a ciki domin ba mu san ko bots ne ko a'a." Amma da na matsa mata kan batun ƙarfin zuciya, na ba da shawara cewa akwai wani abu na siyasa a cikin ƙin rage nauyi a masana'antarta, ta yarda da ni. "Ina jin daɗi mara kyau a [amsa wa] mutanen da suke tsammanin in ji baƙin ciki – ta hanyar zagina, ta hanyar kirana 'mai kitse' – ta hanyar cewa, 'Kuma?'" McSweeney ta kuma yaba wa mahaifiyarta, wadda ta bayyana a matsayin "irin mam da za ta kasance a baya tana shan sigari tana karanta Dostoevsky," da koya mata burin wani nau'in mata wanda ba ya shafi jan hankalin maza. "Ba ta da sha'awar samun saurayi a gare ni – ta kasance kamar, maza za su zo, maza za su tafi; ba laifi." "Kawai ta sanya wannan cikakken 'yancin kai a cikina wanda bai dogara da dangantaka ta soyayya ba." McSweeney ta ɗan tsaya a nan, kuma da alama ta sake tunani. "Ina nufin … ba ta kasance cikakkiyar kariya daga duk wannan ba. Babu wanda ya isa ya yi yaƙi da wannan, ka sani? Kuma akwai ɗan, 'Ba za ki yi gashin kanki ba?'" McSweeney tana yin muryar mahaifiyarta yanzu tana yin motsin roƙo. "Don Allah, kaɗan kawai! Kawai yi mata brush da sauri!" Siobhán McSweeney ta girma a County Cork, Ireland. Mahaifinta ma'aikacin gwamnati ne kuma mahaifiyarta tana gudanar da wata ƙananan masana'anta tana toya burodi da kek don sayar wa shagunan gida, don haka ƙaramin Siobhán yana tashi kowace rana da ƙanshin burodin soda sabo. Amma, kamar kowane matashi mai daraja, McSweeney tana son abin da ba za ta iya samu ba. "Na je wurin maƙwabta a wani lokaci domin suna da farin sliced pan da jan jam, kuma na yi tunani, suna da sa'a sosai, dole ne in koma gida yanzu in ci burodin soda mai launin ruwan kasa da aka toya sabo da man shanu na gida," in ji ta. Mahaifiyarta tana yi mata abincin makaranta kowace rana da burodi mai sabo har yana da dumi. McSweeney ta tuna tana kallon akwatin abincinta tana tunani "babu wanda ya fi ni wahala." McSweeney ta san tun tana ƙarama cewa tana son yin wasan kwaikwayo. Ta ce tun tana yaro tana yi wa tauraro fata kowace dare cewa za ta zama 'yar wasan kwaikwayo, kuma ta gaya mini cewa wata rana ta shafe kwana ɗaya gaba ɗaya a makaranta tana yin kamar tana cikin sitcom, tana tsayawa lokaci-lokaci don yin sautin dariya a cikin kanta. "Ko kuma in duba ga kyamara" – tana yin kwaikwayon juya kanta don haɗa idanu da wata ƙungiyar fim ta hasashe. "Abin ban haushi! Wane irin fitina ne a kusa da shi." Abin baƙin ciki game da rashin lafiya shi ne sau da yawa yana ɗauke miki sha'awar abinci – ina son babban ciki mai kyau Duba hoto a cikakken allo Hoto: Jay Brooks/The Guardian Iyayen McSweeney, duk da haka, suna da wasu shirye-shirye a gare ta. "Ba mu san wanda ya kasance 'yar wasan kwaikwayo ba. Mutanen da ke talabijin ba su yi kama da ni ba, ba su yi sauti irina ba," in ji ta. "Iyayena sun kasance kamar, to menene hakan zai nufi? Za ki yi panto sau ɗaya a shekara? An yi nufin ki yi aiki!" Da take magana da Irish Times a watan Agusta, McSweeney ta ce duk wanda ke cikin masana'antun ƙirƙira yana da "mala'ika da shaiɗan a kafaɗarka, kuma shaiɗan sau da yawa iyayenka ne suna cewa, 'Kada ka ba mu kunya.'" Ta ji kamar iyayenta suna jin kunyar ta? "Eh, tabbas eh – abin kunya ne a sami ɗanki yana tsaye a can yana yi wa kansa wawa," in ji ta. "Haka kuma, Ireland a shekarun 80, kana haɗuwa – tunanin ficewa yana da ɗan … " ta tsaya cikin tunani. "Ina tsammanin ra'ayi ne na kariya – idan kana fili kana buɗe wa cin zarafi da mutane su yi amfani da kai. Duk waɗannan abubuwan gaskiya ne kuma na fahimci sarai dalilin da ya sa kowane iyaye ba za su so hakan ga ɗansu ba." McSweeney ba a san ta ba kafin fitowar Derry Girls, wanda ya fito bayan cikarta shekaru 40. Ta gaya mini cewa a wata hanya mai ban mamaki tana farin ciki cewa shahara ta zo daga baya a rayuwarta, domin ta san mutanen "da suka sami nasara tun da wuri a aikinsu kuma kawunansu sun juya". Amma shekarun da ta shafe tana ƙoƙari da gazawa wajen samun sassa sun kasance masu wahala. "Na koyar, na yi aikin jira, na ja pint, na tafi kan dole, na yi aiki a bukukuwan kiɗa," in ji ta. "Kuma na kasance shirme a kowane ɗaya daga cikinsu." Ta tuna cewa ta kasance musamman "shirme" a aikin jira. "Tabbas, ban san komai game da abinci ba. Ina zuba giya yadda iyayena za su sha giya, wato giya har zuwa saman gilashin, kuma ban san game da al dente ba," in ji ta. "Na yi tunani, wanene wannan Al Dente?" Akwai wani lokaci a cikin shekarun 2010 da ta yi tunanin barin wasan kwaikwayo gaba ɗaya. "Ban yi aiki sama da shekara ɗaya ba kuma na sami jerin 'a'a'," ta tuna. "Kuma yanzu yana ƙara wahala ga marasa arziki su zama 'yan wasan kwaikwayo." McSweeney ta sami tallafi daga EU da tallafin karatu don nazarin wasan kwaikwayo a Central School of Speech and Drama – kuma irin wannan tallafin a zahiri babu shi kuma. "Ina jin tsoro sosai idan na yi tunanin sauran Siobháns waɗanda ba su sami abin da ya kamata su yi ba," in ji ta, kuma fuskarta tana da tsanani da ba a saba gani ba na ɗan lokaci – amma sai ta dube ni idanunta sun fara haskakawa. "Ina nufin ya kamata ya fi kyau, ya kamata ya fi amfani fiye da zama ɗan wasa – amma, ka sani, shi ne abin da aka nufa in yi." Wani ɓangare na gwagwarmayar lokacin da ake ƙin ta a zaɓen 'yan wasa shi ne rashin ingantattun matsayi da ake da su ga mata. A cikin hirarrakin da suka gabata, McSweeney ta ce daraktocin zaɓe sun gaya mata sarai cewa duk da cewa ita ce mafi ban dariya a ɗakin zaɓen, za su ba da sashin ga mace "mafi kyau, mafi ƙarama, marar dariya". "Na kammala karatu zuwa wata duniya inda nake fata sosai wani yana da budurwa domin babu yadda za a yi wani shiri ya dogara da mace," in ji ta yanzu. Amma ba za ta ma kasance cikin jerin sunayen sashin budurwa ba domin "suna son wanda ya fi 'kayan budurwa', wato, wanda ya fi karɓuwa – don haka, marar ɗanɗano kuma kyakkyawa". McSweeney ta ce ba za a taɓa la'akari da ita don babban hali ba, "kullum tauraron dan adam". Ta juya idanunta. "Kuma yanzu ni ce uwa." McSweeney ta gaya mini cewa da gangan take ɗaukar ƙarin aikin gabatarwa domin ingantattun sassa na wasan kwaikwayo masu rikitarwa ga mata a TV har yanzu suna da wuya. Baya ga The Traitors Ireland, McSweeney tana gabatar da The Great Pottery Throw Down. Ta sami aikin bayan ta bayyana a wani shiri na musamman na Great British Bake Off, inda ta yi kuka game da yin trifle kuma ta ƙare zaune a kan benci tare da Sandi Toksvig, suna shan champagne ("Sun ce, wannan shine wanda muke so"). Tsallake tallan wasiƙar labarai Wasiƙar labarai kyauta | Mako-mako Yi rajista don Inside Saturday Hanya ɗaya tilo da za ka sami hangen nesa na mujallar Asabar. Yi rajista don samun labarin ciki daga manyan marubutanmu da duk labaran da ya kamata a karanta da ginshiƙai, ana isar da su cikin akwatin imel ɗinka kowane ƙarshen mako. Shigar da imel ɗinka Yi rajista Bayan tallan wasiƙar labarai Duba hoto a cikakken allo Tare da mai gabatarwa Sandi Toksvig a cikin 2020 Great Festive Bake Off (sama) da kuma a kan saitin The Great Pottery Throw Down a 2023 (ƙasa). Hotuna: Mark Bourdillon/Love Productions Duba hoto a cikakken allo McSweeney kuma ƙwararriyar 'yar wasan kwaikwayo ce ta gidan wasan kwaikwayo. Ta yi wasa tare da abokiyar aikinta ta Derry Girls Nicola Coughlan a bara a The Playboy of the Western World a National Theatre, kuma ta ce kasancewa a kan mataki shine abin da ta fi jin daɗi koyaushe (ta tuna tana yaro "ganin labulen ja a talabijin da jin wani yanayi mai ban mamaki a cikina"). Amma gabatarwa "aiki ne da nake jin daɗinsa – kuma yana biya fiye da gidan wasan kwaikwayo," in ji ta, cikin gaskiya ta musamman. Ayyukan gabatarwa suna biya fiye da shirye-shiryen TV, ma – har ma da mafi nasara. McSweeney ta faɗa a bainar jama'a "Ina tsammanin na sami fam 40" a cikin kuɗin da aka samu lokacin da aka sayar da Derry Girls ga Netflix. An kalli shirin na jimlar sa'o'i miliyan 17.3 a dandalin. Shin wannan adadi zai iya zama gaskiya? McSweeney ta yi sallama da ƙwazo. "Lokacin da Netflix ya saya shi ba mu sami komai ba!" Lokacin da take shekara 27, McSweeney ta rasa mahaifiyarta, wadda ba ta taɓa ganin 'yarta ta yi nasara a matsayin 'yar wasan kwaikwayo ba. A cikin jawabinta na karɓar Bafta, wanda aka kalla sau 467,000 a YouTube, McSweeney ta ba da labari game da yadda, yayin da mahaifiyarta ke kwance tana mutuwa, ta roƙe ta ta sake horar da ita a matsayin malami. "Idan za ta iya ganina yanzu, ina lashe Bafta don wasa malami," in ji ta, sanye da wata riga ta vinyl ja tana dariya, ta ɗaga hannunta tsirara sama don buga iska da lambar yabonta: "Abin dariya a gare ki, Mam!" Mahaifiyarta za ta ji alfahari, idan za ta iya ganin 'yarta yanzu? Ko sauƙi? "Eh, sauƙi," in ji McSweeney, da sauri kamar walƙiya. Sai ta ɗan tsaya na daƙiƙa. "Kuma ina tsammanin za ta so … Ina da ra'ayoyi da yawa kuma za ta so yadda nake magana game da wasu ra'ayoyi." A cikin wannan jawabin Bafta, McSweeney ta gode wa mutanen Derry, tana yin tir da "jahilci da wauta" na shugabancinsu na siyasa, kuma ita ce mai sukar manufofin Ingilishi da Irish da babbar murya. A bara tana cikin waɗanda suka yi kamfen cikin nasara don dubban waɗanda suka tsira daga sansanonin aiki na "mata da suka faɗi" waɗanda ke aiki har zuwa shekarun 90 a Ireland – da aka sani da wuraren wanke-wanke na Magdalene – don a ba su diyya ba tare da rasa haƙƙinsu na fa'idodi ba. Mahaifiyarta za ta yi alfahari da feminism dinta? "Ina tsammanin za ta kasance kusa da alfahari kamar yadda zan bar ta ta kasance," in ji McSweeney, kusan cikin kunya. "Kuma mahaifina ma … Ya kasance mai bin feminism na dabi'a maimakon wanda ya koya – ba zai iya tunanin wani abu da ba zan iya yi ba saboda jinsi na, hakan ba zai yi ma'ana a gare shi ba." Duba hoto a cikakken allo McSweeney tana karɓar lambar yabo ta wasan kwaikwayo na mace a cikin shirin barkwanci don Derry Girls a 2023 Bafta Television Awards. Hoto: Stuart Wilson/Bafta/Getty Images for Bafta Mahaifinta ya mutu a 2018. McSweeney ta koma gidan iyali don zama tare da shi a lokacin rashin lafiyarsa ta ƙarshe. Ta yi amfani da waɗannan abubuwan don yin Spud a 2024, wani ɗan gajeren fim mai kyau, mai ban mamaki mai ban dariya game da wata mace mai matsakaicin shekaru da ke kula da mahaifinta da ke mutuwa (McSweeney ta taƙaita labarin, cikin rashin kunya mai ban mamaki, a matsayin game da "mace marar iya yin jima'i wadda take ƙauye kuma tana wanke babanta a cikin baho"). A cikin Tambayoyin da ake yawan yi Ga tambayoyin da ake yawan yi dangane da tattaunawar Siobhán McSweeney game da abinci, matsin lamba na iyaye da hoton jiki Tambayoyin Farko 1 Wanene Siobhán McSweeney 'Yar wasan kwaikwayo ce ta Irish wadda aka fi sani da wasa Sister Michael a cikin shirin TV Derry Girls Tana kuma gabatar da The Great Pottery Throw Down 2 Menene ma'anar Yana fusata mutane idan ina cin abinci Ra'ayin ne cewa wasu mutane suna damuwa kawai da kallon wasu suna cin abinci musamman idan mutumin mai kitse ne ko yana cin abinci da jin daɗi a bayyane McSweeney tana magana game da wannan a matsayin hukunci na zamantakewa na gaske 3 Menene take nufi da mai daɗi mai kitse Jumla ce tata mai wasa ta yarda da kai don kasancewa mai kitse wanda ke son abinci kuma ya ƙi neman gafara game da shi Tana maido da kalmar mai kitse a matsayin wani abu mai kyau 4 Menene abincin da ta fi so Tana matuƙar son abinci mai sauƙi mai gamsarwa abubuwa kamar crisps cuku da burodi mai kyau Ta fi son abinci na gaske marar ƙarya fiye da kayan abinci na rage nauyi na alfahari 5 Menene matsin lamba na iyaye a wannan mahallin Matsin lamba ne da iyaye ke yi wa yara game da abinci da girman jiki sharhi kamar ya kamata ka ci wannan ko damuwa game da nauyin yaro McSweeney ta ce wannan na iya mannewa da mutane har abada 6 Me ya sa take magana game da kasancewa mai kitse a fili Domin tana son tunkarar ra'ayin cewa masu kitse ya kamata su ɓoye su yi rage nauyi ko su ji kunya Tana ɗaukar shi a matsayin gaskiya ba zagi ba 7 Menene al'adun rage nauyi Saitin saƙonnin zamantakewa ne cewa siririya daidai take da lafiya da daraja kuma cewa abinci ya kamata a sarrafa shi a ƙidaya shi ko a samu shi Ra'ayoyin McSweeney suna tunkarar shi 8 Shin tana gaya wa mutane su ci duk abin da suke so Ba daidai ba Maganarta fiye da haka ita ce game da rashin yin hukunci a kan mutane saboda cin abinci da rashin barin kunya ta sarrafa dangantakarka da abinci Tambayoyin Ci Gaba 9 Me ya sa take cewa cin abinci yana fusata mutane Domin jin daɗin abinci a bayyane musamman daga mai kitse yana karya wata ƙa'ida ta zamantakewa Mutane da yawa suna tsammanin masu kitse su ci a ɓoye ko cikin neman gafara Cin abinci cikin 'yanci a fili yana ƙalubalantar wannan tsammanin 10 Ta yaya matsin lamba na iyaye game da abinci ke shafar mutane na dogon lokaci Yana iya haifar da kunya ta rayuwa duka cin abinci a ɓoye da rashin amincewa da naka